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| Subject: buggery |
Date: 05-01-2005 |
| Author: Nikita Josephine |
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Dear Derek, no, speaking from experience saladplant and waterhole was also into girls... may he rot in hell...and very sorry to hear that others have had this experience of abuse by him!!Shame no-one has yet succeeded in putting this man in jail. 
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| Subject: Re: Buggery |
Date: 30-12-2004 |
| Author: Terry Cresswell |
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Hi Derek,
sorry to surprise you derek but Jiggs as you put is not deceased.
Neither is Terry Cresswell.
I would be very careful about what I said.
Ron should also watch what he says.
There are defamation laws you know.
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Date: 14-10-2003 |
| Author: Andy |
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It was well known among the pupils at the time (58-63 for me) that these activities were commonplace. Baine was noty the only offender. There was also at least one AC/DC on the staff. Some of the after school activities seemed to attract the abusers. For a couple of years I was one of the kids who worked after-school and holidays on janitor tasks. This certainly improved my knowledge of life. However I was obviously not attractive enough to attract interest (nor from the girls either, unfortunately). Andy
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| Subject: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 05-10-2003 |
| Author: Graham |
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Saw the news report. The really sad thing is that he is still denying he ever offended... I just hope that those who did not come forward donot feel that they are responsible in any way... they are victims after all.
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| Subject: Former teacher jailed |
Date: 05-10-2003 |
| Author: Jack |
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Former HVHS art teacher (1959-62)Bill Baine got 3 years jail this week for 7 charges of indecent assualt on pre-teen and teenage boys over a 50 year period, see the DomPost 2/10/03 for the court report and also the "Features" page for his story. What the report only hints at is the fact that 7 victims represents the tiniest tip of his 50 years of offending, apparently kept a register with his victims names in it. Sadly only a few had the courage to come forward and perhaps even more sad it seems that he was a known offender having left Hutt Intermediate and then HVHS under a cloud. It would seem that those in charge at our Hutt Valley schools were more concerned about the school's reputation and ultimately their own, than the welfare of their pupils. Like the Catholic Church they turned a blind eye and allowed Baine to continue offending elsewhere.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 30-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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No to Ron. Put the prize back.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 30-09-2002 |
| Author: Ron Latham |
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Is that Derek Norman?
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 30-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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Ron, take a prize from the bottom shelf.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 30-09-2002 |
| Author: Ron Latham |
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Hi Derek,
I started in '59 to and remember the guy you're probably talking about. First name starts with "T"?
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 29-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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No,not a bird at all. A salad plant+ water hole. I started in 1959 and he was a senior then. He came back as a p/t music teacher but could have been full-time. He played the organ at assembly every morning.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 29-09-2002 |
| Author: Vicki |
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As in big black bird?
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 29-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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surname starts with C? He also ran inthe school sports wearing tight running shorts.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 29-09-2002 |
| Author: Vicki |
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56-59 ... maybe he was thinking about boys at the time :)
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 28-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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what years? This one wasnt interested in girls at all.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 28-09-2002 |
| Author: Vicki |
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I remember a grubby part time music teacher, won't mention names in case of a law suit ... used to play pocket billiards in front of the girls. We didn't know enough in those days to complain :(
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 28-09-2002 |
| Author: derek |
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Yes I remember it well. Not only Baines but Jigs(now deceased) and a part time music teacher who was also an old boy at the time.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 22-08-2002 |
| Author: Graham Weir |
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Yes there was news coverage, in the local (Wellington) paper - the now demised "Evening Post". (Now we have only one daily the "Dominion Post"...)Can't remember when exactly, a month or two ago.
You may be able to find some reference on http://www.stuff.co.nz which is the web site for Dompost...
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 22-08-2002 |
| Author: Bob Barlow |
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I recall a Bill Baine I think from Eastbourne who to put it at it's best was "unusual" but I thought that he got caught trying his stuff in a toilet in Lower Hutt transport centre and did time for it. Have just picked up the HVHS site again and have missed the background on what is obviously a published incident, has it received media coverage if so where and when please.Also recall having to get parents and Police on to a queer Scout master who was seriously molesting some kids in the Waterloo Scout/Cubs. Can't recall name but have an idea that he was a Music teacher. Regards
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 19-08-2002 |
| Author: Graham Weir |
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And according to the last news report I saw, Bill Baine it is... (still lives at Eastbourne too)
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 16-08-2002 |
| Author: Vicki |
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He was at Intermediate too, wasn't he? If he's the one I remember, he discussed inappropriate topics with young girls, too. Grubby man.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 07-08-2002 |
| Author: Ron Latham |
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Without wishing to start a guessing game, throw names around, or tarnish innocent people, I recall there was an art teacher of that era called Bill Baine, who lived in Eastbourne.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 07-08-2002 |
| Author: John |
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In his message Mike asked "...what difference does it make now?" The Dominion Post recently reported ".....Police are dealing with complaints covering allegations of offending between 1950 and last year." I would consider over 50 years of alleged offending, including "last year" to be hugely significant and very "NOW" to say the least!
In my opinion "False Memory Syndrome" is more likely to apply to "offenders" than "victims"! (see "Memory and Abuse" by Charles L. Whitfield M.D.)
Graham is quite right, disclosure is part of the recovery process. If you or a loved one were abused as a child or adolescent you are entitled to help. Counselling provides a safe non-judgemental enviroment where you can work through the issues. Deal with it now, don't let it deal to you.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 06-08-2002 |
| Author: Graham Weir |
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I take your point - a reasonable one. However, in NZ at the moment there has been a change in attitude over the years which has resulted in much less tolerance of such matters. I tend to agree that what is inthe past in gone and cant be changed, but others have a different view and want some kind of recognisition that what happened needs to be faced and dealt with. The question is once a crime is committeed should the offender ever be let off. some say yes, some no...
The other side of that coin is the danger of false or 'imagined' incidents arising (as in the Peter ellis case in Christchurch) all of which can result in a form of moral panic not unlike the witch hunts of the middle ages.
Just part of society's rich tapestry I guess.
(My last comment, I promise...)
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 05-08-2002 |
| Author: Mike |
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Once again you people show your need to go to the nth degree. Surely there are more important things in your lives than the details of a supposed "buggery" case all those years ago. I suppose that your response shows that there may not be. For anyone directly affected by this case it must be traumatic but lets not forget that whole lifetimes have passed since then. Let justice be served but really what difference does it make now?
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 05-08-2002 |
| Author: Graham Weir |
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Humour is probably not appropriate for this item....
The question is - whois the teacher accused? I see that he has been granted continued name suppression for now...
I sincerely hope there are no past pupils put there who are reluctant to come forward as something like this needs to be dealt with.
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| Subject: RE: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 02-08-2002 |
| Author: Mike |
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I remember being buggered at the end of every bridge run, but not after any art class. Surely we can let sleeping dogs lie.
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| Subject: Buggery at HVHS |
Date: 26-06-2002 |
| Author: Liane |
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Just heard on the news about a buggery case that is before the courts of a HVHS art teacher.... the case goes back to 1958-1961 .... I thought this would be a good place to send out the message and that the police are expecting other reports to come forward.....
Name suppression has been granted.....
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